SilmFilm 2-15: Episode 11: Saga of Feänor as he destroys everything around him at Formenos

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SilmFilm 2-15: Episode 11: Saga of Feänor as he destroys everything around him at Formenos


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Episode 11 (anti penultimate episode)

  • Feänor doing the thing that gets him banished
  • Fingolfin being “understandingly annoying” to his older brother
    • “Watch Fingolfin’s ’embers of awesomeness’ grow in the wind”
    • Question posed: how is altering Fingolfin like this different from altering Aragorn & Faramir?
      • Tolkien’s Faramir has “daddy issues,” but Jackson’s film overly emphasizes it, and makes him weak as a result Faramir’s choice to let them go isn’t a moment of strength – he is only caving to a different pressure than he was caving to originally
      • Jackson seems to want to bring the high and mighty characters down so we can relate to them more… Aragorn never had doubts about his kingship
      • W/Fingolfin we are giving the character more emotions and personality… We are not taking “the high character” and bringing him down so we can relate to him better
        • We want Fingolfin’s greatness to be more great not less great
        • But we want Feänor’s frustration with Fingolfin to be justified
        • Fingolfin doesn’t have to be whiny either
        • Making mistakes are a growth experience – Fingolfin could have a realization that leads to his greatness
        • Lord of the rings is an epic story, but the characters are filled out and flawed, versus Silmarillion which is a more epic story with epic characters that are just filled out
      • Aragorn already had a good story in the book – Jackson didn’t have to lower him
        • Jackson almost makes Aragorn like he grew up in a democracy and now has to be king
      • Fingolfin’s legends are all amazing and grand. But his childhood may not have been like this.
        • Example: George Washington being lauded for honesty and integrity, but he wasn’t always like this and likely was not born straight out of the womb with that trait
        • Also there was a little known story of Washington being given land to distribute among his soldiers, but he actually kept it for himself
      • Christopher Lee narrating Children of Hurin is amazing (end special commercial plug from Trish)


  • What’s up with the Valar? Do we show the trial?
    • The Book of Lost Tales has dialogue that delves into it
    • Corey is in favor of leaving it out – it would be the first scene that Tolkien wrote that we’d leave out
    • Audience position…
      • Most of season should be from the Eldar point of view
      • Grumbling Noldor – we don’t want them to seem like flat out jerks
      • They are really smart and learned
      • How can a brilliant learned people come to the conclusions that they do?
      • We need to be immersed in their perspective. If we cut to the Valar being judicious, the Noldor will look childish
      • Valar – not stupid and bumbling
    • Melkor – in the book it only take a sentence or 2 to say that Melkor went among the Noldor, befriended them, was accepted by them, and then deceived them
      • Showing all this will take more dialogue/writing
      • Everything he says is totally plausible
    • The mistake the Valar make is to not talk to the Noldor and allow them to draw their own conclusions (or ask further questions)
      • Showing the Valar would limit the impact of the tragedy
      • The doubts that Fëanor has about the Valar should still be plausible
    • Episode 10 ends with Eonwë coming in and telling Fëanor he’s been banished
      • Want to focus on how Finwë, Fëanor, et al react to what they did from their POV
      • Episode 11 might take place completely in Formenos
    • Who’s at Formenos?
      • Finwë/Indis – does he follow his son and leave his wife behind?
        • The “this is the thing Míriel was talking about” conversation needs to happen (Indis and Míriel had a conversation about Fëanor while the latter was still alive)
        • Finwë would be like “I know. I just need more time to bring him back” (his other motivation)
        • And Finwë chooses anyway (he doesn’t want Fëanor to feel persecuted) – a bad but compassionate decision
        • “Aren’t you king? Can’t you request an audience?”
          • Finwë considers himself unkinged when Fëanor is banished
            • “If the Valar can override my decisions of citizenship and parenthood, maybe we are just puppets, and maybe Melkor is right.”
          • She wouldn’t have to live there permanently – she can go back and forth between her husband and her sons. She herself is not banished.
            • Fingolfin may ask why she’s leaving
          • Fëanor and Nerdanel – Nerdanel would try to talk some sense into him
            • Nerdanel might tell him he has to invite Indis when he’s like “I don’t want that woman in my house!”
            • All the Fëanorians
            • Gratuitous shot of Huan lying around, looking miserable
              • Every few episodes, we could have a non-verbal Huan reaction – he gives the audience a clue as to how to feel, from the background
              • (Or a talky reaction the way Huskies like to talk)
              • Doggie eye rolls
            • Melkor wants to be allies with Fëanor – “First they came for you, now they’re hunting me…the horns of Oromë and the footsteps of Tulkas are upon me”
              • Fëanor doesn’t let him in b/c he just doesn’t like him – Fëanor sees a rival and his pride leads him to reject Melkor (doing the right thing for the wrong reasons)
                • And the Noldor returning to Middle-earth would be another “right for the wrong reasons” type thing
              • “Jailcrow of Mandos” is an insult – “didn’t you beg for mercy at Manwe’s feet?” He is challenging Melkor’s status
                • “You’re a joke. You were their prisoner. You are beneath me.”
                • Fëanor slams the door, and we see Melkor’s face as it changes, and for the first time, he looks like the Tyrant of Utumno
              • Nerdanel could be listening in and doing the math, coming to the realization that Melkor has been lying all along
              • She can reveal her knowledge when Fëanor receives the summons for the Feast of Reconciliation
                • We can get a bit of the Valar POV here
                • She only publically speaks against him when he leaves for Middle-earth
              • Season ends with Darkening of Trees and Thieves’ Quarrel

Next Episode:

  • The Valar – flashback or conversation of deliberation
    • How do we handle?
  • Fingolfin and Fëanor?
    • What does this scene mean to each of them?
    • How do we handle?
  • Eonwe’s invitation to reconcile
  • Melkor and Ungoliant – now it’s time to implement plans
    • How do we handle?
    • Andy Serkis for motion capture Ungoliant
    • Andy Serkis for the Fingolfin/Melkor fight
    • Andy Serkis for motion capture eagles